On this episode of “Things That Matter,” guest Pastor Daniel Im of NewChurches.com and author of the book, No Silver Bullets, discusses the approach of systems when speaking on ministry as the Church. Daniel gives examples of natural systems such as a root system in a forest, the solar system, and even systems in our own human anatomy that leads to his point of how God clearly likes systems. He gives an example of spiritual maturity, and how it can be defined differently amongst the Church that is useful not only for ministry leaders, but for individual believers as well. Check out Daniel’s website and his book for more information! NewChurches.com